Dreams, Fairy Tales, and the Demons of AI | Jonathan Pageau | EP 364
Ep. 364
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Jonathan Pageau discuss the depth of narrative found in the classic fairy tales, the loss of positively impactful narratives in the wake of woke culture, the potential utility of Ai as a means to prod new insights from historic and biblical texts, the cynicism of postmodernism, and the overall necessity to preserve foundational storytelling.
Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:24) Intro
(1:56) Writing fairy tales
(2:23) Betty Boop, Fleischer Studios
(3:41) Recapturing Snow White
(4:56) The core of foundational stories
(7:17) Postmodernism and metanarratives
(8:46) Answering the question, story pattern
(10:10) Micro narratives, metaphors for puberty
(12:53) Modeling adulthood for children
(15:35) Meaning of change, Piaget
(19:24) Embodying the character, psychopathology
(25:12) Knowledge of beauty
(30:02) Dark mirrors, being fed your carnal desires
(34:19) The mechanisms of attention, Ai targeting
(36:15) Aladdin, Solomon, infinite power
(40:14) The spirit that call to you
(42:47) Pointed elements, levels of elaboration
(45:51) Jung, dream amplification
(49:01) The weaponization of beauty, parallel symbolism
(52:09) Dream analysis
(54:45) Speaking to the King James Bible through Ai
(58:02) Binding mythologies with religion in the ancient world
(1:00:28) Asking Bard if it believes in God
(1:03:08) Hyper divination, digital necromancy, non-human agency
(1:05:32) The degree of change, superficial learning
(1:07:46) Giving up the legitimacy of of reality
(1:09:15) Strange players in the next U.S. election
(1:11:00) Tell better stories, ARC
(1:14:54) The giants that derail us, Jack and the Beanstalk
(1:22:26) When the narrative and objective would meet
(1:23:12) If the doors swing open, stop pushing
(1:26:16) Inviting tyranny, the castrating narrative
(1:29:18) Building out the biblical cosmos
(1:34:11) Connected universes, Jason and the Argonauts
(1:35:27) The Symbolic World Publishing
(1:37:30) The deep cynicism of postmodern storytelling
(1:39:37) Bringing back darker elements in a modern way
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